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Mark Burhenne on the Oral Microbiome, Fluoride Use and How Your Mouth Can Heal Itself


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Katie: Hiya and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from and, that’s “wellness” with an “e” on the tip. And this episode is about one in every of my favourite subjects, which is oral well being, with somebody I’m very excited to speak with right now. I’m right here with Dr. Mark Burhenne, who’s the creator and creator at And he’s additionally the best-selling creator of the “8-hour Sleep Paradox.” He’s a household and sleep drugs dentist who seems rather a lot on TV, radio, and in magazines and media. And we get to go deep on lots of enjoyable subjects right now, together with a few of the large issues in present dental care modalities, the distinction between practical dentistry and standard dentistry, what the oral system connection is, and why what occurs in your mouth impacts your complete physique. How 70+% of continual illness has a connection within the mouth. The explanation that many oral well being merchandise that you just may be utilizing can truly injury the oral microbiome and result in long-term issues.


We touched on the very controversial matter of fluoride and why he’s adamant that it is best to keep away from it, particularly in your youngsters, together with issues like it will probably cut back IQ by as a lot as six to 9 factors, how the method of getting cavities is just like the method of metabolic illness, what to learn about root canals, why brushing and flossing usually are not the one reply, and why food regimen is definitely extra necessary, together with a few of the dietary supplements that may be useful.


After which we additionally discuss one thing known as hydroxyapatite, which is the primary ingredient in a toothpaste I formulated that’s obtainable at Wellnesse. And we speak in regards to the science of what makes this ingredient so distinctive and extra useful than fluoride, in addition to being fully secure. And we speak in regards to the remineralization course of and the way hydroxyapatite may be very supportive of this remineralization course of and of the oral microbiome. He’s such a wealth of data. We’re positively going to do a spherical two in case you have particular questions, however I do know you’ll take pleasure in this episode, and I’ll have hyperlinks to lots of the issues we discuss within the present notes at, in addition to a hyperlink to that hydroxyapatite toothpaste, and charcoal toothpaste and shortly, youngsters’s toothpaste, in order that your loved ones can strive them. However with none additional ado, let’s be a part of Dr. Mark. Dr. Mark, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.


Mark: Katie, I’m very excited. Thanks for having me on the podcast.


Katie: I’m so excited too. This has truly been a pet analysis matter for me for over a decade now. And I’ve learn lots of your work. And I’m so excited to get to essentially delve and go deep on a few of these subjects right now. I really feel like my viewers is fairly effectively versed in a few of the fundamentals of this as a result of I’ve been speaking about oral well being for thus lengthy. However I additionally really feel like you will have such cutting-edge data that you just clarify so clearly. And I wish to ensure that we get to sort of delve into all of those completely different subjects.


To begin broad, although, I really feel prefer it’s price it to construct a basis of perhaps what are a few of the issues to concentrate on that aren’t optimum in standard dentistry because it stands proper now, and maybe even by means of the expertise of going to most dentist and getting pushed issues like mouthwash and fluoride. And I might love so that you can simply unpack a few of these broad issues, after which we’ll go deep on them.


Mark: Nicely, I’m glad we are able to discuss that. It’s one in every of my pet tasks. However to start with, I wished to thanks. And at any time when somebody’s speaking and emphasizing oral well being, I’m simply so excited. And I simply wish to reinforce that. So thanks for all of the stuff you’ve achieved. I imply, clearly the toothpaste and fluoride-free toothpaste with hydroxyapatite. So all that oral analysis you’re doing and a focus to oral well being, thanks a lot. As a result of a part of the message at Ask a Dentist, our workforce at, is oral well being. You possibly can’t obtain total good well being with out addressing your oral well being.


And that sort of is what practical dentistry is all about. And that’s the place standard dentistry has sort of been, , tardy on. I imply, they’ve simply sort of missed the boat. And once more, once you come out of dental faculty within the U.S., you come out as a really expert clinician. And we want expert clinicians. I assume the analogy can be like Western drugs, versus practical drugs or integrative, no matter you wish to name it, holistic. , once you fall otherwise you get entangled in a automobile accident, I’m saying, we want Western drugs. We’d like nice clinicians.


Similar factor in dentistry, issues occur to the mouth. We fall. , you’ve obtained youngsters. You know the way typically that may occur, particularly boys. , they chip their tooth. The tooth fall out on the pavement as they’re falling off their bicycle. I’ve seen all of this. We’d like the clinicians. And we’re fortunate within the U.S. as a result of we’ve got nice coaching. We now have a few of the finest dentists on the earth. Some will say they’re the very best dentists. In order that’s necessary. However once more, one in every of my pet tasks, and we’ve got a listing on our web site, and I discuss it virtually consistently, is this idea of practical dentistry. And, , we are able to do a deep dive on it in order for you. It’s extra of a worldwide strategy and it contains total systemic well being.


There’s this oral systemic connection the place what occurs within the mouth can have an effect on the physique. I believe it’s one thing like 70% of continual illnesses are associated to oral well being or have a oral bug, , micro organism from the mouth, concerned within the mechanism of that continual illness. I imply, it truly is an enormous participant and it doesn’t get lots of consideration. One of many causes is that drugs and dentistry, there’s an enormous schism. They parted methods, I believe, in 1839. And so lots of physicians don’t know rather a lot about oral well being. A number of dentists, sadly, don’t learn about total well being. And since they’re so effectively related, and that is the place practical dentistry is available in, it makes that connection. One of many rules of practical dentistry is collaboration between a maybe a practical MD, however I work with lots of standard MDs as effectively, and a dentist.


I imply, gum illness contributes to CRP. I’ve labored with cardiologists earlier than. Actually, I had a heart specialist name me and simply chat me up for about an hour as a result of he wished to be taught rather a lot as a result of what he discovered is that he was treating a affected person with stents and had continual coronary heart illness, cardiovascular stuff occurring, and CRP was excessive. However what he didn’t know is that, and what I knew as a dentist, was that the CRP was elevated as a result of the affected person had gum illness. So right here he’s making an attempt to carry down CRP with all of the issues that he can do, not understanding that periodontal illness was an enormous contributor and, in fact, gum illness. There’s a connection between gum illness and coronary heart illness.


In order that’s one of many large rules of a practical dentist is that they see the mouth, they don’t deal with it or work in a vacuum, they see the large image. , there’s so many connections between oral illness and systemic illness. And it’s known as the oral systemic connection. So, practical dentistry, you don’t get this in class. It could be talked about, at the moment. Again in my day, it was by no means talked about.


The one connection that was talked about in dental faculty was if a affected person is available in with rheumatic coronary heart illness or some scar tissue within the coronary heart, it’s a must to pre-medicate them as a result of after a cleansing, the bugs can get into the blood provide, which is typical, it’s known as the bacteremia. And it’s secure in case you’re wholesome. And it will probably settle out on that coronary heart tissue, and you may die from that. So you’d pre-medicate the affected person. That was about as a lot of an oral systemic sort of connection that you’d get in dental faculty.


And so, , it’s additionally speaking in regards to the oral microbiome, facial growth. I imply, toxins that dentists are placing into mouths. It’s being towards fluoride and understanding that fluoride can have an effect on the fetal mind. In order that’s practical dentistry. And you’ll see I get all enthusiastic about simply speaking about it, proper?


Katie: Yeah, and I positively do too. As I began doing a deep dive on this, it actually blew my thoughts how there was truly a lot proof that sort of was within the face of what lots of what’s talked about in standard dentistry. And so, I’d love to start out going sort of line by line and choosing aside a few of these issues.


Let’s begin with the oral microbiome. As a result of I believe most individuals are effectively versed in at the least the concept of a intestine microbiome and the gut-brain connection and the way our intestine impacts all points of well being. This has been talked about rather a lot. And I really feel just like the oral microbiome is beginning to be understood a bit of bit and talked about, but it surely’s nonetheless positively not anyplace close to as well-known. So speak to us a bit of bit in regards to the oral microbiome and the way it’s so necessary.


Mark: Yeah, thanks. The oral microbiome, it’s big. It’s crucial. And sadly, to get it to be extra identified, we sort of experience the coattails of the intestine microbiome. And also you’re proper, most individuals know and have heard in regards to the intestine microbiome, not everyone seems to be on top of things on it. They don’t know what to do about it.


However what they don’t perceive is that there are lots of biomes all through the physique. , the armpit has a biome. There’s a vaginal biome. There’s a nasal biome. There’s in all probability a mind microbiome, they’re saying now. So we’re a bunch of those biomes, these communities of bugs. The bugs outnumber our precise DNA. They usually’re all speaking with one another. That intestine is the large one. The oral microbiome is taken into account to be second in dimension. I don’t wish to say significance. We don’t wish to go there as a result of they’re all necessary. However when it comes to dimension, and contributory sort of emphasis or mechanism, it’s big as a result of it’s in entrance of the intestine microbiome. It’s upstream.


It’s the headwaters. As my buddy and researcher Cass Nelson-Dooley would say, who wrote a terrific e book. I may give you a hyperlink for that. What I believe might be the very best first e book to go to on oral microbiome, whether or not you’re a supplier or a practitioner or a lay individual. It’s necessary to grasp, and he or she explains it very effectively, that the oral microbiome, which has many niches, , the tongue, the tonsils, the nasal, I might think about that to be a part of the oral microbiome as effectively, all of that’s linked on to the intestine microbiome.


And it does what the intestine microbiome does. It’s necessary for immune protection, processing issues, producing issues like nitric oxide. And these micro organism, like within the intestine produce, , completely different nutritional vitamins, identical factor within the mouth, given the possibility. However the oral microbiome is in that pole place and is inclined to the mouth being open and all of the issues that we put in our mouth. I believe the intestine microbiome is a bit of bit extra insulated. It’s manner downstream. It’s darkish. , by the point stuff is available in by means of the intestine, it’s been processed a bit of bit.


That’s not so within the mouth. We are able to discuss that later, like toothpastes, and detergents, and soaps, and pesticides, and mouthwashes. And, , by the point that stuff will get to the intestine, it could have an impact, however the mouth will get the brunt of it. However the oral microbiome is this mixture of micro organism, viruses, fungi, yeast cells. A few of them are actually unhealthy. You’ve heard of them earlier than – Strep mutans, E. Pylori, the one which causes ulcers, Candida. They usually’re all there. They’re all there. However they’re there for a purpose as a result of they do all of the issues I simply talked about.


However the minute that they begin turning into extra pathogenic, and that occurs as a result of the populations develop and outnumber and push out, they turn into extra pathogenic. They push out the extra commensal micro organism and the commensal micro organism are those which are making an attempt to get alongside and work events to provide these items like nitric oxide and immune protection and remineralization of tooth, the oral microbiome is answerable for that as effectively, which protects the tooth. That’s what the oral microbiome does.


However the minute these micro organism, even good ones that turn into too dominant however definitely the unhealthy ones, then all hell breaks free. After which it results in oral well being points: oral illness, gum illness, cavities, all of these items. So similar to the intestine microbiome. It’s interconnected. It feeds to it. There may very well be a two-way hyperlink. We’re undecided about that. The hyperlink upstream and the way it impacts the intestine could be very well-known. In fact, there are lots of particulars that aren’t identified.


And there’s little or no, I imply, when it comes…we perceive it. We’ve recognized it. We’ve recognized all of the bugs. There are about 700 species within the mouth, however we don’t know what to do with it. And that’s one thing else we are able to discuss it. And everybody has a unique oral microbiome. There’s lots of variation between folks. That’s the opposite complicating issue. So once more, it’s this organism that, I don’t prefer to say it’s hitching a experience, different practitioners will say that, I might say that we’re an excellent organism. And it’s a mix of our human DNA, and all this different stuff that’s within the intestine, within the armpit, within the hair, the scalp, and all that. And if it really works effectively collectively, it’s a tremendous tremendous organism.


Katie: That’s such a terrific rationalization. And I believe that basically helps hone in on the concept of this bacterial stability, which then brings the query of, a part of this equation of oral well being isn’t just cavity focus, which is the place I really feel just like the dialog can typically get caught up in conventional dentistry. Like, I’ve heard it defined that there’s this complete stability of micro organism. And when you will have one out of stability, you can get cavities. You may need one other one which’s out of stability that results in gingivitis. And it’s not about spot treating the micro organism, similar to in drugs, practical drugs. It’s not about spot-treating a symptom. It’s about determining this holistic stability.


And I believe this brings up the query of then, what are a few of the frequent practices that individuals are doing which are truly, like, very overtly disrupting this intestine micro organism? I do know, there’s lots of instructions we might go right here. However I might love to the touch on particularly, perhaps some substances in common toothpaste, mouthwash, and fluoride, particularly, which is, I do know a bit of little bit of a controversial one, however I believe a extremely necessary one, particularly after we’re speaking to mothers.


Mark: Yeah. And the mind well being of fetuses and infants definitely, we’ll finish with that. Yeah, so that you’re proper. The oral microbiome is there. It’s necessary. It’s complicated. However because it seems, for many years, truly centuries, dentistry, and the businesses that present oral well being merchandise, I’m not going to choose on anybody, the one individual I wish to not blame is the tip consumer, , the affected person, as a result of, as a occupation, we’ve been pushing all these merchandise that really are damaging the oral microbiome.


So now that we all know in regards to the oral microbiome, in reflection, on reflection, in case you’re prepared to look again and be taught from our errors, all these items that’s being bought to us, it’s snake oil, it truly is. I’m speaking about Colgate, Crest, GSK, Glaxo Klein. I imply, these are large mega companies, and I don’t have any issues with companies. However like large meals, large oral well being product companies have been making these merchandise with none proof that it really works. Actually, it’s truly damaging and harming the oral microbiome.


So, for instance, let’s take a typical mouthwash with alcohol in it. Some have… Mainly, it’s an ingredient that’s present in pesticides. We’ve obtained triclosan, which is lastly been banned, however not in all instances, that was present in soaps. These are all very robust…and even important oils. It depends upon the important oil and the focus. However these are all merchandise that these firms are including to mouthwash, toothpaste. They try to get into floss. I imply, they’re including it to the whole lot as a result of it’s a part of their advertising and marketing. And dentists are behind it. They usually’re saying, “Disinfect the mouth, carpet bomb the mouth.” And that was even earlier than we knew that the oral microbiome was necessary.


We knew that there have been infections within the mouth and the an infection principle is {that a} bug could cause this. Nicely, why not both knock it out with antibiotics? Which is what physicians do. Dentists will use antibiotics as effectively or disinfect it every day or twice every day with alcohol and all these detergents and emulsifiers even can break aside the cell wall of any cell, the nice cells, I imply, the unhealthy micro organism, the nice micro organism.


And so, we’ve been on this bandwagon for a very long time. And now that we all know that the oral microbiome is necessary, we perceive that carpet bombing the mouth is just not a great factor. So particular substances, I discussed a few of them, triclosan, alcohol, definitely, even some important oils, , like cinnamon is the strongest. And if there’s an excessive amount of of it, that’s bactericidal.


Even emulsifiers, soaps, that’s how cleaning soap works. It breaks down the cell wall of a micro organism. It breaks it aside. As soon as that integrity is gone, the cell is completed with. It’s a light manner of being bactericidal. However triclosan definitely isn’t. And triclosan was wiping out all kinds of different biomes and creating illness. So, I apologize as a dentist. I imply, I figured this out 15, 20 years in the past. It by no means made sense to me. However then the oral microbiome, which is a current discovery, I might say after the yr 2000, that’s sort of after we began, , quantifying it. After which placing the 2 collectively, we’ve obtained to start out making modifications in oral well being merchandise.


And the excellent news is that it’s obtainable within the U.S. Firms such as you, Wellnesse. I imply, these are the boutique manufacturers that I assist, that I inform folks about, as a result of it makes an enormous distinction when it comes to total well being. So in case you’re flattening the oral microbiome, you might be principally going to predispose your self to oral well being points, critical ones. And given what I mentioned in regards to the oral systemic connection, then which means you’re damaging your complete physique. You’re predisposing your self to systemic continual illnesses like Alzheimer’s in time. There’s that connection between what occurs within the mouth and what can get into the mind from periodontal illness.


So most mouthwashes, and we’ve got research, there’s just a few nice research. I used to be taking a look at one yesterday for one more mission I’m engaged on, the place an alcohol-based mouthwash principally will increase your blood strain. The explanation for that’s as a result of it impacts the micro organism that produce the nitric oxide. And nitric oxide is a basal dilator. And after age 40, you actually solely get that from the micro organism in your mouth. As a result of, earlier than you’re 40, it comes from different sources. However as you age, you solely get that from manufacturing of the mouth. Nicely, in case you kill these micro organism, then your blood strain goes up. I imply, come on, let’s cease selling these, , and shopping for stuff. We are able to all vote with our greenback and purchase the best product.


So, for instance, taking out fluoride out of toothpaste is an excellent factor. We now have over, I believe it’s over… Nicely, I believe it’s extra now. However final yr, it was over 64 research on how fluoride impacts the fetal mind, an toddler’s mind, lowers their IQ. It causes all kinds of issues, not simply that. It impacts the mitochondria within the mind. I can go on with that.


And it additionally isn’t nice for tooth. Forty-one p.c of youngsters within the U.S. have fluorosis. That’s the place the tooth are crumbling and are extra inclined to decay. And that’s due to an excessive amount of fluoride consumption. And that’s ingestion of fluoride. I’m not speaking about topical utility of fluoride. That’s not one thing I’m keen on, however that’s one thing completely different. And I don’t wish to bunch the entire, all of them collectively, as a result of that may be misinformation.


So yeah, thank God we’ve obtained firms such as you, . There are others, in fact, what I name these boutique manufacturers. And as an oral well being influencer, I’m behind you guys 100%. As a result of that is one thing we want. This protects our youngsters. It protects all of us. It promotes good oral well being. Primarily, it permits the oral microbiome to do its job.


Katie: Yeah. And I believe the fluoride one is an particularly necessary one to enter simply because it has been, not simply pushed, however I’ve been overtly instructed by dentist that not utilizing fluoride was going to trigger long-term injury to my youngsters. And I did lots of analysis on this. I’d like to sort of discover a few of the different potential downstream problems with, I might say, overuse of fluoride, which is what we’re encountering right now now that it’s within the water provide in lots of locations.


However for my analysis, at the least, you’ll be able to have thyroid problems downstream, particularly for growing youngsters. There’s truly lots of analysis trying on the inside results of this. And we talked about it offline. Even when we are able to make a case for fluoride probably having profit instantly within the mouth, there truly is not any proof that I’ve ever seen that it’s internally useful. And there’s proof that it may very well be internally dangerous. So I exploit the analogy of it’s like in case you lower your arm and also you attempt to eat band-aids to repair it.


However I’d love to listen to your simply sort of clarify another potential, like physiological issues with this. And let’s discuss options as effectively. As a result of I believe it’s effectively intentioned at the least. We do need academics to be robust. We wish enamel to be robust. No person’s arguing with these issues. I simply know, you and I’ve talked about, there’s higher methods to get there than simply fluoride.


Mark: Proper. No, you’re completely proper. And it’s effectively intentioned. And dentistry, I imply, it’s a terrific occupation, and we’re very effectively intentioned. However we’re additionally misinformed. And so far as systemic ingestion of fluoride and the way it advantages us, it’s all correlation. And it’s humorous as a result of the opponents to, , folks like me or dentists which are towards fluoride, they are saying that our research are additionally primarily based on correlation.


And I’m not going to argue that time, but when we wish to commute and say that either side are, , basing their proof on correlation, high-quality. And that doesn’t get us anyplace, however the research now are fairly conclusive. There’s a downside with ingesting fluoride. And keep in mind, fluoride… Okay, so let’s say, so that you carry your child in to see a dentist, they usually get this fluoride varnish. That’s after the cleansing. This can be a varnish that’s painted onto the tooth. It has extraordinarily excessive ranges of fluoride, much more than the prescription-strength tube that we prescribe to adults, far more than what’s within the water. I imply, I’m speaking about, don’t quote me on this, however like 1000’s extra X when it comes to energy.


And this may’t, it will get ingested. There’s no child on the earth, there’s no 4 or 5-year-old, that’s not going to swallow this. And it additionally will get absorbed by means of the oral mucosa. The oral mucosa, like a leaky intestine, is leaky. I imply, that’s how homeopathic medicines are absorbed. That’s how folks take their melatonin. They put it on the ground of their mouths, and it will get absorbed in a short time into the bloodstream.


So these fluoride varnishes are being absorbed, and it goes proper to the mind, for instance. Sure, there are thyroid points. There are bone density points, hip fractures. I imply, there are lots of research. However the ones I prefer to concentrate on are those that trigger neurotoxicity of the mind as a result of we’ve obtained so many good research, they usually all agree. I imply, isn’t that sufficient proof? And once more, after I raised my three daughters, and that is earlier than I knew all this, this was 35 years in the past, this was my lesser-of two-evil argument, which I fall again on typically. Fluoride didn’t make sense to me again then.


I’ve a bit of fluorosis. I grew up in San Francisco, fluoridated water provide. I obtained cavities, didn’t appear to work for me. In fact, my food regimen wasn’t good and there are different elements we are able to discuss what the foundation trigger is of decay, tooth decay. However this fluoride is definitely damaging youngsters’s tooth. Okay, we are able to repair that. However we are able to’t repair their brains. And the fluoride passes throughout the blood mind barrier and dumbs your child down. That’s not one thing we wish to do. And we’re speaking about six to eight, perhaps 9 IQ factors.


I might warning any dad and mom saying that, pondering that that’s not an enormous change. That could be a big change. Analysis it. Inform your self on that. It might take your child into an entire completely different class. And I don’t wish to go there as a result of it’s very daunting. And I believe it will get to be a bit of shaming, as a result of lots of people have raised their youngsters with fluoride, and I don’t need them to really feel unhealthy. However in case you’re planning on getting pregnant, or if you’re pregnant, or in case you have younger youngsters, avoid fluoride, even topical fluoride, even in toothpaste. And the sweetness is that we’ve got a terrific various. We’ve obtained hydroxyapatite, like what’s in your toothpaste.


These items works as effectively, if not higher. It may be swallowed. Even the nano dimension may be swallowed. There’s lots of controversy there. As a result of it dissolves, it’s simply calcium, hydroxyapatite, which is biomimetic. It’s what’s the tooth is utilizing to provide itself.


Katie: I’m so glad you introduced that up. As a result of I really feel like that half is nearly by no means talked about, regardless that we’re seeing positively that proof. And also you’re proper, that doesn’t perhaps appear to be an enormous quantity. Nevertheless it completely is and is usually a big distinction for youths, particularly in class and as their brains are growing. And as you mentioned, it’s not that we’ve got no options. If you happen to’re going to weigh the dangers and advantages, there are different issues which have extra profit with out the draw back.


And I’m so fascinated by this science of sort of the interplay of the saliva with minerals, and this complete wonderful factor that occurs within the mouth. I do know after I first began studying about remineralization, it blew my thoughts as a result of that was not one thing that’s ever been offered by standard dentistry. Nevertheless it is sensible to me that the physique’s pure state is to be in well being, and it needs to maneuver towards that state. And I discover out increasingly on this world that it’s typically getting out of the physique’s manner. Not that we’ve got to do something excessive to assist the physique do what it naturally does.


So let’s speak in regards to the concept of remineralization. I do know lots of people perhaps even haven’t heard of this or if they’ve, are perhaps skeptical that it’s truly potential. However I sort of additionally use the analogy of like, we all know bones can heal. There’s clearly completely different course of in place there. However the physique has these wonderful mechanisms. So speak to us about remineralization.


Mark: Nicely, very effectively mentioned, and I’m so glad you assume it’s cool as a result of it’s completely cool. And the physique does have mechanisms the place it’s making an attempt to repair itself on the fly. And this can be a good instance. So, in easy phrases, there may be demineralization and there’s remineralization. Demineralization is the a part of the equilibrium the place your tooth is headed in the direction of getting a cavity. The calcium in your tooth, hydroxyapatite, there’s phosphorus, there’s boron. There are different minerals. Enamel is 96%, hydroxyapatite, perhaps 97%. And that’s why it’s the toughest substance within the physique.


And naturally, the tooth developed to be one thing very practical. It permits us to digest our meals, proper? I imply, how necessary is that? Nicely, all mammals have tooth. And the form of the tooth could be very fastidiously developed to the purpose the place we are able to break down meals, for instance, break down meat. And in order that when it will get to the intestine, we are able to extract the essence of that vitamin from that meals. And so tooth anatomy can also be fascinating. I’d advocate you choose up or analysis on-line tooth anatomy and the way every cusp is designed to mesh with the opposing tooth and what it’s truly breaking down and squashing. And it’s fascinating.


And then you definitely get all of the enzymes within the saliva that breaks down the meals. Digestion begins within the mouth. And in case you can’t digest your meals within the mouth, in case you’re a fast eater, can’t chew correctly, or, even worse, you don’t have tooth, it shortens your life. We all know this. And that’s one of many mechanisms there. However basically, it’s potential to reverse a cavity. And since we are able to feed that equilibrium. We are able to information or stabilize that equilibrium. Sadly, in right now’s world, with the Western food regimen, the SAD food regimen, no matter you wish to name it, we’ve got all these processed meals. It’s not a pure food regimen.


Let’s take breakfast cereal. My least favorites are breakfast cereal. It doesn’t matter. It may be Cheerios, which lots of people assume is wholesome. Let’s choose on Cheerios. And, Cheez Its or crackers, , Goldfish, okay. So no sugar, most dad and mom will assume, “Okay. That’s high-quality.” However in case you break that down, this can be a extremely refined carbohydrate. And when the micro organism, the oral microbiome, sees it within the mouth, it goes to city. It could devour lots of it. It could break it down, after which the pH ranges lower. Their excrement, the micro organism, once they feed on this unnatural food regimen, which has been processed, which the physique has by no means seen when it comes to evolution. It’s simply not used to it. It’s a whole mismatch.


The identical factor with diabetes, traditional instance when it comes to mismatch with what our evolution is used to seeing or has tried to evolve to over billions of years, in the previous few 100 years, we’ve obtained all this crap on the market. And lo and behold, the tooth are all the time demineralizing faster than they’ll remineralize. So we’ve upset that equilibrium by consuming what? , it’s not about flossing and brushing. It could not essentially be a sugary snack that you’ve got as soon as in a blue moon. There’s nothing flawed with that. It’s a deal with. However consuming these meals all day lengthy, which most of us do in America, particularly within the meals deserts. That’s all that’s obtainable, which is so unhappy.


Once more, cavities, the method of getting a cavity is similar to metabolic syndrome. It’s the identical factor. Diabetes. It actually is predicated on our food regimen. And that is creating an epidemic. It’s one of the frequent, I believe, it’s the most typical illness on the earth, cavities, getting cavities. However most of us, as a result of we’ve grown up with them and that our youngsters get them… And, , I all the time love the mothers that cry after I inform them that their child has a cavity. I really like them dearly as a result of they get it. They perceive it. The opposite dad and mom are like, “Okay. Nicely, how a lot? I’ll make an appointment. We’ll get all of them crammed,” proper? I imply, they get it as a result of that isn’t the norm.


And it’s a lack of physique, of tooth construction, and it’s unhappy as a result of then the filling goes in. The filling has points. There are steel fillings, mercury, even plastic fillings, BPA, BPA free, it doesn’t matter. After which they’ve to get replaced each 10 to twenty years. I imply, that’s a tragic place to get to. However it may be prevented and you may reverse decay. That is what a practical dentist would take a look at. Hopefully, the practical dentists would educate you from the day you herald your toddler, which ought to be immediately, I believe. And with all this good counseling, there’ll by no means be the necessity to fill a cavity. The perfect dentistry is not any dentistry, proper?


Katie: Yeah, I really like that you just introduced up the connection of cavities being just like a metabolic illness course of as a result of I really feel like this is a vital level to grasp with that complete physique connection to the mouth. And infrequently, we consider the mouth is that this remoted system of its personal. And really, it’s all very, very interconnected.


I do know I used to be fascinated to learn the work of individuals like Weston A. Value, who checked out these populations world wide who eat basically far more nutrient-dense diets than we do within the fashionable world. And he was shocked to search out, and I believe we might all be shocked, they didn’t have cavities. They didn’t have orthodontic points. Their jaw construction was solely completely different. Which brings that query of, would the interior atmosphere of the physique instantly impacts the mouth and vice versa? And I believe there’s so many cool issues to unpack there.


I do know we’re going to get questions. I’m going to circle again to a few these subjects. However I do know we’re additionally going to get questions on root canals. As a result of anytime I discuss something to do with dentistry, folks carry this up. And I really like the way you approached fluoride. And the objective right here is clearly to not disgrace anybody or to make anybody really feel unhealthy for any determination they’ve made. However simply to coach and produce consciousness. So I believe there’s rather a lot to grasp, perhaps begin broad with us, of when root canals are sometimes used, in the event that they’re wanted, if there are higher options, and what to do in case you’ve already had one.


Mark: Nice query. Root canals are very controversial. I’m not towards root canals. I believe that surprises lots of people, particularly once they see my stance on fluoride and different issues, food regimen and the practical strategy. I even have a root canal. It was as a result of I had a horrible food regimen. I obtained a cavity so shortly that it concerned the pulp. When a cavity will get sufficiently big, it’ll kill the nerve and the blood provide contained in the tooth.


Now, this can be a tooth that I might have had extracted as a result of it’s in all probability the least necessary tooth within the mouth, not together with knowledge tooth. It’s an higher second molar. By taking that tooth out. There’s no large change in chunk, and there’s actually no lack of operate. However let’s say you fall in your entrance tooth and it dies. It will get pulpitis. It will get irreversible pulpitis. That is the title for the dying of the pulp of the tooth that turns into contaminated. That an infection can take you down. Individuals died within the fifteenth, sixteenth, 1700’s, that’s when recorded dental historical past began, from infections like that. And so, clearly, that’s not good.


Nicely, then you’ll be able to have the tooth taken out. Hopefully, you’ll be able to take it out safely. However then what are you confronted with? You’re lacking a entrance tooth. You’re lacking a cuspid, for instance, a canine, crucial tooth when it comes to, , stabilizing the chunk and serving to the chunk, go into round motions and stabilizing the chunk throughout chewing motions. These are necessary tooth. And with out them, you’re not higher off. You’re going to undergo.


After which, in fact, in case you lose lots of tooth, then your shallowness will undergo. Your chewing potential will undergo, as I alluded to earlier. You could shorten your lifespan. Additionally, your healthspan definitely will undergo since you want tooth. Tooth are necessary. Then the choice now, thank goodness, is we’ve got implants. Implants usually are not good. There may be an immune response to implants. That’s a useless piece of, , steel in your mouth. Lots of people say root canal is a useless piece of tissue in your mouth.


Nicely, they don’t perceive the anatomy of a tooth. The residing tissue contained in the tooth is eliminated. Whether or not that tooth is alive or not, it doesn’t matter. And once more, I’m assuming a appropriately, correctly achieved root canal, which isn’t all the time the case. I’m all the time assuming. There’s a really well-known well being influencer, who I respect rather a lot, who was towards root canals. And he fell off a horse and cracked the tooth. Broke lots of different bones and all that, had the foundation canal achieved. It was in another country. After which it failed and it prompted him lots of hurt for the subsequent two, three, 4 years. He was given clindamycin that prompted sort of colitis and intestine points. And all of it went unhealthy from there.


What occurred there wasn’t the foundation canal. And that is what that film from Australia additionally… What was it known as? Root Trigger, which was taken off of Netflix. Thank goodness. The basis canals in Root Trigger and the foundation canal for this influencer have been achieved on fractured tooth. And fractured tooth, that’s the surface of the tooth, that turns into an issue as a result of the micro organism seeped in there. After which over time, it’ll trigger this big immune response. It’ll elevate your CRP, your inflammatory ranges, after which begin seeding micro organism by means of the oral systemic connection into your organs, your mind, and trigger issues.


Sure, root canals can do this. Is {that a} purpose to not maintain taking tooth out after they get broken, or in case you’ve had unhealthy recommendation and didn’t know? Like me, I used to be consuming a wholesome snack from Japan. It was a puffed rice. Now I do know that was not a wholesome…it didn’t have industrial seed oils in it. However again then, 20 years in the past, I ate that on daily basis at lunch pondering it was wholesome. That really prompted a cavity and it was aggressive and I didn’t tackle it quickly sufficient. And it prompted the dying of this tooth. Nicely, I didn’t wish to lose the tooth.


Now, if a tooth is cracked, there’s no root canal on the earth that may save that. As a result of anatomically you can not seal off that space and that tooth must be extracted. After which get an implant achieved, perhaps a zirconia implants as a substitute of a steel implant, that’s a unique dialog. In my case, I wouldn’t have simply take the tooth out. I might not substitute it due to its place and its significance.


However a poorly achieved root canal that’s not crammed correctly or fully to the very finish of the canal, micro organism will seep in there. A cracked tooth will fail. If the seal is just not strong, if the accent canals usually are not addressed. And there are folks, there are unimaginable endodontists which are doing this. There’s one in LA that’s wonderful. She is completely wonderful. They use ozone. You possibly can disinfect and sterilize the within of a tooth sufficient the place the fibers that come out from the jawbone and seize onto the tooth are fully unaffected. They don’t know any distinction. They actually don’t know any distinction. They nonetheless assume it’s a tooth. They’ve grabbed on to it. It’s nonetheless sitting contained in the socket, and it will probably nonetheless be used. Sure, the tooth will desiccate. It’s extra vulnerable to fracture over time. However it’s an efficacious secure process if it’s achieved correctly.


Now, that is one thing {that a} practical dentist would advocate is CRP ranges. Get your CRP checked yearly. Get a CBT scan. That’s a three-dimensional X-ray. I don’t like X-rays. However in case you have a root canal, and also you wish to maintain it, it’s good to have that checked. Typical X-rays… You could not even have any ache, however that root canal is failing. That could be a downside it’s good to know.


Each 5 years, get this cone beam, three-dimensional X-ray. And it’ll inform you if the physique’s rejecting that tooth. Whether it is, perhaps you’ll be able to retreat it. Retreating could be very tough, 50% odds on that, then it’s a must to have it taken out. And I additionally inform sufferers in the event that they’re questioning in case you faucet on the tooth, you’ll be able to faucet in your tooth. And if the tooth is tender, that’s an indication that the foundation canal is failing.


So a poorly achieved root canal, fractured tooth, just like the examples I gave, and additional time, generally root canals can turn into an enormous deal. Completely. And in order that’s my tackle root canals.


Katie: Yeah, I believe that’s a extremely complete rationalization. And I believe this can be a scary matter for lots of people as a result of anytime we’re speaking in regards to the potential lack of a tooth, it feels extraordinarily scary. Nevertheless it’s nice to know that there’s sort of a great flowchart of choices of what to do in that scenario.


I believe lots of this goes again to the concept of simply being an knowledgeable affected person. I’ve mentioned this, on the subject of drugs as effectively is we’re every our personal main healthcare supplier. We’re definitely additionally every our personal main dental care supplier as a result of we’re those caring for our tooth each day. And the very best outcomes occur when you will have an knowledgeable affected person working with an knowledgeable practitioner towards a desired consequence. And that begins with us being knowledgeable and taking that duty. And I really like that individuals such as you assist that course of be far more potential in right now’s world.


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I’d additionally love to speak a bit of bit in regards to the respiratory facet of this as a result of this can be a newer space. Perhaps some folks have heard on the market. There have been books about nostril respiratory versus mouth respiratory, and a few of the physiological penalties of that. However that is additionally actually necessary on the subject of oral well being, and I believe particularly in youngsters. So I might love so that you can give us a primer on how respiratory impacts oral well being, after which what we have to know and what we are able to do about it.


Mark: This can be a big facet of practical dentistry, perhaps one of many greatest. I imply, it’s all good. Oral microbiome is necessary, oral systemic connection, all crucial. However the purpose I say this about respiratory is that dentists are on the entrance line, actually. We are able to catch this in a one-month-old, if we see him. And I do advocate bringing in your child as quickly as you’re ready. In different phrases, when you, , get them dwelling, and hopefully they’ve latched on, and that’s the time to carry them to dentist. They’re not going to get a cleansing. However at the least the dentist can test for a tongue-tie and we’ll discuss that.


Anyway, it’s necessary as a result of that early analysis of not with the ability to breathe by means of their nostril, once more, I’ll broaden on that. The presence of a tongue-tie, the shortcoming of the kid to breastfeed, all of that, if addressed quickly, basically determines the future of their complete life. And I’m not exaggerating. I imply their character, how they’re in a position to work, how they’re in a position to assist others, being a great member of the family, a great accomplice, I imply, a great father or mother, all of that will get decided by how effectively you sleep. And that instantly is affected by how we breathe.


I wish to advocate a great buddy of mine, James Nestor, wrote the e book, “Breath.” I might advocate that everybody learn that e book. That’s one in every of my favourite current healthcare books as a result of it… And go away it to a healthcare journalist. As a result of, , docs have been completely handicapped, proper? We are able to’t clarify something to sufferers as a result of we’ve gotten the scientific rationalization. And it’s laborious for us to water that down.


And regardless that that’s what the which means of physician is, from the Latin root to show, that’s what doctoring is. And so, our first function is to show. And we’re all fairly awful at it, sorry. However that’s due to our schooling. And so go away it to somebody like James Nestor to clarify it so effectively. And I’ve beneficial that e book to so many individuals. They usually all come again and say, “Gosh, I get it now.”


So nasal respiratory is coming on-line. It’s having its second, thank goodness, as a result of it’s been underneath appreciated for thus lengthy. I simply discovered about it, I wish to say, about 12 years in the past. After which I wrote a bit of bit about it in my e book on sleep apnea 5 years later. And now, on reflection, there ought to be extra about it, however at the least it’s having its second.


So, in case your little one is mouth respiratory, they already are struggling neurological situations, behavioral situations are coming, lots of oral well being points. Their decay price goes to be excessive. Once you mouth breathe consistently, you might be drying out your mouth. Then the saliva or lack of it, can’t buffer the acid assaults from consuming Goldfish. Hopefully, they’re not consuming Goldfish. Hopefully, they’re consuming pureed, , floor meat or carrots or one thing, proper, at dwelling achieved by mother or dad or caretaker.


So, basically, that may be addressed early. It may be a results of tongue-tie, congestion, or atmosphere, lack of breastfeeding. It may be facial growth. It may be sippy cups, versus pacifiers, all of these items. That decrease face is so malleable. The bone is sort of a very stiff clay. And if the tongue place is just not within the appropriate place, and the muscle groups and the swallow reflex is just not working the best way it ought to, due to, for instance, a tongue-tie, then that face goes to turn into an individual that has sleep apnea.


And the sleep apnea begins at age 1, at age 6 months. You’ve seen little youngsters’ snore. You assume that’s boogers popping out of their nostril. They’re sick. They’re irritable. They don’t sleep effectively. After which that may be addressed very early on by dentists. I all the time inform folks which are that dentists are in a position to diagnose… We’re not formally allowed to diagnose sleep apnea, however we’re in a position to display for and see sleep apnea a long time earlier than a doctor can. And it’s no fault of the doctor. It’s simply because we’ve been educated on this space, the place physicians actually thought-about this space to be a bit of black field that they weren’t given any details about in medical faculty.


So, mouth respiratory is essential. If you happen to don’t breathe by means of your nostril, you’re not respiratory correctly, you’re not mixing your O2 and CO2. Respiration correctly is just not all about oxygen. It’s in regards to the combine between the 2. Actually, I might argue that CO2 focus in your lungs and in your blood, oxygen and CO2 get into the blood, is extra necessary for reducing your respiratory price, stabilizing respiratory price, affecting your sympathetic response, making you nervous and fired up. I imply, respiratory impacts so many components of your life.


So to simplify it, and it’s a bit of overwhelming for folks, that’s why I like to recommend the e book. Begin there. Learn the e book and perceive and admire. You’ll admire how necessary nostril respiratory is at any age. And in case you can tackle it as early as potential, that’s what a great pediatric or a great practical dentist can do. Go all out. That’s so necessary. And then you definitely received’t get gum illness. You received’t get cavities in case you breathe by means of your nostril.


Katie: And I’ve experimented with mouth taping simply from the sleep perspective, and I observed an enormous distinction. It appeared like this might be a harder factor to perhaps get youngsters to have the ability to do, particularly in the event that they have already got some sort of obstruction there. Nevertheless it’s positively one thing I’ve seemed into rather a lot with my youngsters and the way can I assist their palate broaden, assist them have higher nasal respiratory construction from an early age whereas their face continues to be growing. And I’m actually excited that this appears to be an rising space of business.


There’s simply beginning to be so many extra choices obtainable for this. I additionally know that you just’ve talked about cavities not being a illness of hygiene, however a illness of metabolic, so what we’re consuming. And I’d like to go deeper on this and discuss what are a few of the finest methods to nourish the physique for oral well being and when is the time for dietary supplements and which of them would you advocate?


Mark: That’s a terrific query. And there’s been a terrific e book written about it. I believe you interviewed Dr. Steven Lin, “The Dental Food plan.” That’s a terrific place to start out. Yeah, I do imagine that. I rank the explanations for decay. Primary is dry mouth. I’ll get into that. Quantity two is food regimen. So these are the 2 large ones. And most of the people are shocked at this level, as a result of, , they see quantity three is being biofilm administration, flossing and brushing. And once they go see a daily dentist, that’s usually the primary purpose. We’re shamed into pondering, “Oh, you’ve obtained a cavity, effectively, you didn’t do a great job at dwelling.”


That’s not the foundation trigger. The basis trigger is that this processed food regimen that the physique hasn’t seen in its tens of millions of years of evolution. It’s solely seen it in the previous few seconds. If you happen to take the entire timeline of evolution, in solely the previous few seconds of our existence. And it’s a whole mismatch. It’s not used to it. The oral microbiome is thrown out of whack.


We talked earlier about how the oral microbiome… I didn’t contact on it sufficient however you requested about it. The oral microbiome is in command of producing a pellicle, a biofilm, or a plaque layer on the tooth. The tooth is an inanimate object that comes by means of the jawbone. It’s the one instance of this within the physique. And inanimate objects within the physique are lined with a biofilm. That biofilm is a part of the oral microbiome. And it’s pulling calcium and constructing blocks for remineralization out of saliva. And it’s placing it in the best place in order that your tooth will keep intact.


However then this meals comes alongside that it’s simply by no means seen. And it will probably’t sustain. As a result of the micro organism can eat extra of it. It could devour it. And due to that, as a result of it’s so available and damaged down and processed, and lots of issues are taken out, like fiber, like in grains and the hull and the kernel and all that. Then your tooth are all the time demineralizing. That’s why fasting is so good. As a result of, , it’s one much less meal it’s a must to fear about with an acid assault. , hopefully you’re consuming good meals.


So the best food regimen, let’s get proper to it. , it’s paleo. I do know that ticks off lots of vegetarians. It’s very tough to have to stop decay being a vegetarian as a result of a vegetarian food regimen is excessive in carbohydrates. , one in every of my daughters is vegetarian. And I’m all the time making an attempt to hack her food regimen. , I obtained her to start out taking krill oil, as a result of that’s excessive in vitamin K2 and different issues and the omega fatty acids, that are all necessary for tooth well being. And that’s one of many dietary supplements I like to recommend.


So actually, it’s good to avoid something that’s in a bag. Brief story is avoid the middle aisles of the grocery retailer. , go proper and left. Get the meats and fish and the greens and positively some fruit is okay. It’s a diet-related illness. And so are all the opposite illnesses. Why wouldn’t the primary illness on the earth be diet-related? It makes good sense. Sadly, dentistry is sort of been gradual to pointing to that as a root trigger.


And also you get this within the fluoride debate. It’s like, “Nicely, fluoride will repair all this.” Nicely, it hasn’t. Decay is definitely going up. It’s not happening. And we fluoridated again within the ’60s and we’ve added fluoride to all kinds of merchandise and meals and all that. So it’s positively meals.


Dry mouth, , perhaps it’s dry mouth and meals collectively, definitely a mix. I put dry mouth up there as a result of lots of us have dry mouth, the place 50% of us are mouth respiratory. We’re taking meds that dry our mouths, that lower saliva movement as we become old, in fact. And we’re in a position to become old due to Western drugs, thanks very a lot, than our ancestors, I imply. However saliva movement drops. Saliva movement drops at night time once you sleep together with your mouth open.


Tongue-ties are on the rise in order that we are able to’t nostril breathe correctly. So dry mouth is an enormous deal. Don’t underestimate dry mouth. Dry mouth, with out saliva, there’s no likelihood of remineralization, pH ranges drop, the acid ranges keep excessive, and your tooth are dissolving. So, food regimen is large. After which the very last thing on that listing… So it was primary was dry mouth, proper after that food regimen. After which fairly a bit down from there, when it comes to significance, is flossing and brushing. , I get lots of flak for that. However in case you eat a paleo food regimen, in case you eat a carnivore food regimen, you don’t need to floss and brush. I imply, our ancestors didn’t floss and brush. Now I’m not towards toothpaste. I believe toothpaste is necessary.


There are specific issues that I take pleasure in in my food regimen that I do know are inflicting an acid assault. We’ve obtained espresso. We’ve obtained lemon juice. We’ve obtained wine. We’ve obtained iced tea. I’m an enormous inexperienced tea drinker. I drink three or 4 of these a day. That’s acidic. And naturally, , if I don’t tape… Although I can nostril breathe, my mouth falls open at night time. This can be a regular factor. I don’t know why, but it surely occurs. Why that may be, from an evolutionary standpoint, why would our mouth fall open at night time if we are able to nostril breathe? Perhaps it’s as a result of we’re sleeping on mattresses and we didn’t sleep on mattresses. I don’t know. Perhaps we have been facet sleepers, , across the fireplace, however within the caves.


However anyway, don’t underestimate dry mouth. It’s going to result in decay, gum illness. It complicates oral well being dramatically, and inside weeks. And that’s why I really like mouth taping in case you can mouth tape.


Katie: Yeah, I agree. And I believe that’s positively going to be one of many extra controversial issues in all probability that we’ve mentioned on this episode is it brushing and flossing perhaps usually are not truly as necessary as we’ve been led to imagine. To your level, after we take a look at these populations previously that had good oral well being, you’re proper, they weren’t brushing or flossing. They didn’t even know what that was.


Mark: Sorry. The very last thing on that listing I didn’t point out is genetics. And sure, some dentists will say your tooth, some tooth usually tend to get cavities and others, I imply, in folks. And there may be fact to that. And it’s how the tooth types and the lobes of enamel which are forming within the jawbone as they cinch collectively, as they fuse, there is usually a deep invagination, like a deep groove. And people tooth are inclined to get extra cavities.


However once more, in case you didn’t have that loopy food regimen that we’re uncovered to, even these genetically predisposed tooth which have a predilection to get decay wouldn’t be affected. In that final group, I put epigenetics. I put genetics. Epigenetics, in fact, is the environment. So, for instance, you can undergo from, , publicity to air air pollution, which clogs up your nasal sinuses, which promotes mouth respiratory. And then you definitely get the oral illness from that, for instance. So the environment is problematic, positively, not simply poor meals decisions.


Katie: That is sensible. And I really like that you just introduced up meals truly coming into play then. And we all know it’s no secret that the vitamins in our meals provide have declined. And we’re, on common, consuming a a lot much less nutrient-dense food regimen than we used to.


One factor that’s useful for me to consider, I believe we did ourselves a disservice after we began understanding energy after which specializing in energy as a result of it isn’t nearly energy. And I encourage folks to consider, in case you take a look at nutrient density per calorie versus simply energy, on the whole, you’ll get rather a lot farther in the best course, as a result of it’s really, like, how a lot nutrient density can I get in my physique with the quantity of energy I must eat per day as a substitute of trying on the restriction facet. I believe the restrictive facet leads us to eat truly much less nutrient-dense meals, which is an issue I see within the food regimen business.


Mark: Precisely. And a calorie is just not a calorie. You’re completely proper. And it was the large meals that demonized fats as a result of they have been promoting one thing that was rather a lot cheaper and extra worthwhile. And that was carbohydrates. I imply, we’ve obtained good examples of that. I believe it’s taking place within the fluoride business proper now. That’s a byproduct of the fertilizer business, the fluoride.


I imply, it’s a must to be very cautious of massive companies. I’m not saying they’re all unhealthy. They usually’re lots of merchandise that they make which are glorious. However simply be cautious of mass-produced issues that are available in luggage and are packaged. And that’s going to do you in, sadly. I don’t know in order for you me to speak about dietary supplements. However , there’s such an absence of mineral now in our soil. We’re mineral devoid. And tooth are made up of minerals. Additionally, our saliva likes to comprise and retailer minerals as a result of that’s what the tooth wants.


If the tooth is demineralizing. And there’s a covalent bonding second, , the place the tooth is electronegatively charged. In different phrases, it’s being demineralized. These calcium and phosphorus bonds, that are positively charged, they need to be there for that becoming a member of to happen. And that’s how this strategy of the tooth and bones… As you mentioned earlier, bones are dynamic. They’re all the time altering they usually’re in a position to repair themselves.


So our soil is devoid of minerals. I’m consuming water proper now. I add hint minerals to my distilled water as a result of I don’t need fluoride. So I take out the fluoride, add again the minerals, , clear my water. I imply, it’s insane what we’ve got to do to get a nutritious diet. However because of this I’m large on dietary supplements. The food regimen and the soil and the atmosphere is devoid. We’ve sterilized it. Nicely, we’ve disinfected it, and we’ve ruined it. And we’ve added toxin. On the subject of oral well being, I like to recommend Vitamin C, clearly, that’s for collagen. I’ve obtained research to again all this up, many research.


So the little ligaments that connect the tooth to the jawbone, that’s all collagen. And collagen will stiffen over time. That’s what scurvy was when our ancestors came visiting on the Mayflower. I imply, that’s what they suffered from. They have been consuming simply smoked meats. They didn’t have any fruit and veggies.


The omega-3s, I talked about that earlier than, DHA, EPA, cod liver oil. If in case you have a baby, give them cod liver oil two, 3 times a day. In the event that they don’t prefer it, get the lemon taste. , they’ve flavored. That is so good for the event of the face. And for, , including K2 to their food regimen. K2 is an unimaginable complement that we simply found, I say simply found. Once more, after the yr 2,000, K2, I’m referring to, not K1. Be sure to’re getting each types of K2, the fats soluble and the water-soluble model. Be certain your youngsters are getting it. I might complement that with that.


Probiotics and prebiotics, I’m positively bought on prebiotics within the mouth. That’s within the mouth itself, chewing on it. Probiotics, , that’s the entire weed, and seed, and feed argument. If in case you have a dysbiosis of the oral microbiome, that’s the place the oral microbiome is just not effectively in your mouth, throwing lots of costly probiotics at it received’t work. You must actually make it possible for the prebiotics are on board first to stabilize and permit the populations to settle in correctly.


What else? Melatonin. That was a shock to me. I simply discovered that analysis a couple of yr and a half in the past. And melatonin, I’ve all the time been very cautious of. I’ll take one or two milligrams, which is difficult to search out within the U.S. Often, it’s extra. In Europe, it’s regulated. Something over 2.5 is a prescription dose as a result of it’s a hormone. However for gum illness, melatonin, for brief intervals of time, there are lots of research that point out that that’s nice after scale and root planing, after gum illness therapy, even surgical procedure, that taking melatonin for that time period will enhance the outcomes of the surgical procedure.


Vitamin D, no brainer. I don’t assume I would like to enter that. Nevertheless it’s big. Vitamin D is all about…, Vitamin D, basically, within the intestine permits calcium to cross over into the intestine into the bloodstream. And we want that mechanism. We’d like calcium within the bloodstream in order that we are able to get to our bones and our tooth. K2 is the important thing to that, although. And so is A. K2 offers proteins that permit mobilization of the calcium. And so K2 is essential. So in case you’re taking lots of calcium, and also you’re not getting K2, be cautious of that. You’re getting an excessive amount of calcium. However Vitamin D, A and K2, in all probability the three most necessary dietary supplements that I might advocate.


B nutritional vitamins, necessary, zinc is necessary. CoQ10, lots of people learn about CoQ10 for gum well being. A lot of research on that return a long time. And curcumin is necessary, even topically, in teas and issues like that. Inexperienced tea is necessary. I’m an enormous fan of inexperienced tea. I believe it ought to be in toothpaste. I believe it’s very useful to drink inexperienced tea. Actually, ingesting it can be crucial for the remainder of the physique.


And the very last thing I wish to point out, which is probably not well-known but as a result of it wasn’t obtainable within the U.S., however I might advocate spermidine. It principally induces autophagy with out fasting, does just a few different issues too. However I might advocate excessive doses of spermidine earlier than and through and after scale and root planing. That is, once more, you’ve obtained gum illness, your tissues are infected, you’ve had that cytokine response. You’ve misplaced the connective tissue across the girdle of the tooth. You’ve had gum recession due to that bone loss, maybe. And taking spermidine, which makes issues develop like loopy in your physique, is an effective factor to do after you’ve had deep cleansing, scale and root planing. If you happen to’ve had it, what I’m speaking about, these phrases and/or gum surgical procedure.


And sadly, that’s what you want in case you have full-on gum illness. There’s no manner of reversing naturally or supplementing your self your manner out or with food regimen extreme gum illness. When you’ve obtained that course of the place the physique is…principally, it’s an autoimmune illness. The physique’s attacking the gums and the supportive tissues.


That’s why it’s known as periodontal, across the tooth, tissues. You’ve obtained to cease that in its tracks, and that requires seeing a great periodontist. Once more, a great classically educated dentist, which we positively want. And so I spermidine is one thing that I’ve simply added to the listing as of only a few weeks in the past.


So I may give you hyperlinks to what I’m taking in order for you. However these are necessary. And I don’t prefer to need to say that we have to complement. Sadly, we do. It’s simply the character of our world that we’ve created.


Katie: Yeah, I’m glad you introduced that up. I believe that’s actually useful for folks to grasp that. Saliva, mineral density, and people fat-soluble nutritional vitamins, and the way necessary they’re, particularly for kids. And we all know from the literature that deficiency in these areas additionally impacts many areas apart from the mouth, however typically, such as you mentioned, we’ll see it within the mouth first.


And so that is truly I believe a terrific factor just like the mouth can inform us a lot. And if we use it as a software, we are able to truly perceive a lot extra in regards to the physique by means of the mouth. And I’ve a sense we’re going to get many follow-up questions from mothers about, “What about this particular state of affairs?” and, “This occurred to my child.” So I’m hoping we are able to do one other spherical as soon as we begin getting a few of these questions…


Mark: Positive, I might love that.


Katie: …since you are so enjoyable to speak to you in such a wealth of data. However to respect your time and the viewers’s time right now, a few final wrap-up questions. The primary being, if there’s a e book or numerous books which have had a profound influence in your life. I do know you already talked about one, however any others. And if that’s the case, what they’re and why.


Mark: Oh boy. There have been many books. Really, if I look to the left there in my library, “Breath” by James Nestor. And I’m recommending books that influenced me enormously. However this e book can be extra as a result of I do know it’s simply digestible. And it’s a breakthrough e book as a result of it actually brings to gentle this misplaced artwork of with the ability to breathe correctly and in such a pleasant manner. It’s a web page turner. So James Nestor. I imply, I knew all of the stuff within the e book, however I appreciated the e book due to the way it introduced all of it collectively.


What would be the different e book? what? It nonetheless is, and I say this typically, however I might say, The Calcium Paradox by Kate Rheaume-Bleue. That was sort of the primary actual good e book on K2, I believe, once more, early 2000, perhaps 2006, 2007. Very effectively written e book by Canadian dietary knowledgeable. And it’s a captivating e book. It’s one thing that basically sort of simply blew me away as a result of it made lots of sense, but it surely was one thing fully new. It was all about K2, one thing that I had by no means been uncovered to.


And I nerd out on these items. I imply, as of in all probability age 14, 15, in all probability, because of the affect of my mom, I used to be into vitamin. I imply, I used to be taking brewer’s yeast and cod liver oil, or I used to be given it. I learn books on life extension. I imply, these are books that individuals perhaps my age would know and keep in mind. I imply, this has sort of been a passion of mine for a very long time.


After which, in fact, dental faculty got here. And I needed to readjust. However, , after dental faculty, that simply stored, stayed with me. So these are in all probability… I might persist with “Breath.” It’s updated. It’s enjoyable. It’s a really, very inspirational e book. It’ll encourage you in so many alternative methods.


Katie: I’ll make it possible for’s linked within the present notes at, together with, in fact, hyperlinks to your work as a result of you will have such an enormous quantity of data obtainable on the web and so many nice assets for folks. Any parting recommendation you wish to go away with the listeners right now? And perhaps additionally the place they’ll join with you and be taught extra?


Mark: Nicely, you’ll be able to definitely go to our web site. I’ve a podcast. You possibly can hyperlink to all that. Katie, I might admire that. I’ve a e book. I believe to reply, our Instagram is a enjoyable place. I do reply to folks on Instagram. We put stuff out every day simply to maintain you motivated. It retains me motivated to usher in new content material and all that. My workforce could be very enthusiastic about Instagram.


We’ve just lately gone to TikTok. Not an enormous fan of TikTok, however, , it’s attention-grabbing as a result of there’s an enormous viewers on the market. And after we got here to TikTok, I imply, our numbers grew shortly as a result of that data wasn’t obtainable. So, I get it now. I imply, this data must get on the market. In order that’s been enjoyable.


However my bit of recommendation. I believe I already talked about it earlier within the podcast is that, , tackle your sleep. I don’t care in case you’re 70 years outdated otherwise you’re a mother and pop that simply had a child. If you happen to don’t tackle sleep, which is like, I believe the pillar of well being, perhaps it’s the meals we absorb, however keep in mind we are able to reside longer with out meals than we are able to with sleep. I imply, three days of no sleep, you’re achieved for, you’re insane. You’re legally insane.


Meals, we are able to, , definitely reside with out longer and water as effectively. However I might say that a lot of what your life goes to be, our brief lives, our valuable lives, are decided by how effectively you sleep. And we reside in a good time the place you’ll be able to…, I’ve obtained the Oura ring right here, which I’m not affiliated with any manner. However I imply, I’m all about good sleep for relations, for all my listeners, and followers. Sleep is so necessary.


And dentistry is in an excellent place that, I discussed earlier, we’re within the pole place. We see it from day one. And I simply get so pissed off generally as a result of… For instance, tongue-ties, I believe, and this sounds excessive, however in case you’re in a position to, in case you have the means to, or if the hospital does this, have a tongue-tie knowledgeable current on the start of your youngsters as a result of that must be addressed throughout the first one hour of your little one’s life.


If it’s not, there’s a diversion there of two completely different destinies on your little one. It begins with tough or no breastfeeding to, , an underdeveloped face, which results in respiratory points and mouth respiratory versus nostril respiratory. And don’t underestimate what change that makes to you as an individual. Persona, the best way you look, your shallowness, your incomes potential, not that that’s terribly necessary. However it may be.


And being a father or mother, being a great individual, being a great citizen of the planet, I imply, I’m not exaggerating, it’s so necessary. And it makes you happier. It makes your brief time right here on this planet manner higher for the folks round you and for your self. So that may be my recommendation.


Katie: I like it and an ideal place to wrap up, I believe, for now. Like I mentioned, I hope there will likely be extra to come back sooner or later, however very grateful on your time right now in sharing your data and for all of the work you do on-line. I’ll ensure that all your platforms are linked. You will have such nice data throughout all social media and your web site. So that you guys go test him out, particularly in case you have any dental particular questions. He in all probability has a solution for you already on-line. However thanks a lot for being right here right now.


Mark: Katie, thanks a lot. It was a pleasure.


Katie: And thanks as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most useful assets, your time, your power, and your consideration with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you just did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”


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